H.R. 7 House Rules Modifications: transcript

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Committee meeting. This affects the rules. Um, and committee, if you look at Lang 34, what it says is, after a committee member makes a motion, original motion, they're allowed to speak to the original motion. It's our practice. We do it, we realize it's not in roll. Look at line 4 45, if there's a substitute motion following the original motion, just as the same thing. It says, you actually get to speak to your emotion. Again, it's our practice. And then if you look on line 1 62, we're prohibited from re reading from a written prepared speech. However, it has been our practice, so it doesn't often happen very often where we can seek permission from the presiding officer to read a brief statement. Uh, I think that's in Masons that we've been lying relying on. So we're putting that in rule. It just says, unless the representative during the debate receives permission from the presiding officer. Prohibition on still reading long prepared speeches or questions. But with the presiding officer, you can read a brief speech and then our rules on line 1 0 1 66. Our rules currently say that you can't use props when you're presenting your bill. This applies it also to personal privileges. However, there is an option if you receive permission from the presiding officer on line 1 71. Presiding officer may grant you permission to, A good example yesterday is the Ukrainian flag. What better examples there of that? And so that, uh, but we don't want people doing personal privileges to use a prop and then go right into their bill or something like that. So it has to be with the permission of the presiding officer gives that little flexibility. That's my presentation. Thank you for that presentation.

I'd like to move that we adopt the first sub.

I'd like to understand the difference between the two since I was looking at the other one and the numbers weren't matching.

You just, what was the primary difference between The two oh oh, the first sub? What's

the line numbers? Oh, I'm sorry. It's, uh, line 34 and 45 stipulate that the maker of the motion may speak to it.

Okay. That's easy. And then on line 1 61. 1 62. Okay. It talks about reading from the speech and then it goes in down to line 1 73 as far as using a prop with permission for personal privilege. Okay. Okay. And then, okay, the consent calendar, right now, the presiding officer can't lift it on their own. Ooh, that's the one I missed. What line is that on? 1 33.

Okay. So on line to Thank you Representative Wilcox. So on line 1 33, a bill that's been assigned to consent calendar may be reassigned to the third reading calendar by the presiding officer or by the majority of the house vote, we already have the option that six or more members can move it. This would allow the by majority vote, the house can do it, or the presiding officer could do it. And I can give you some examples of where, when that might be. Uh, good to do. But anyways, that's what it provides.

I mean, that one's in both of 'em, either the way, so yeah, we can talk about it after.

Um, I'd like to move that we strike the one line 1 35, the presiding officer.

Just we're, we're handing it off to whoever happens to be running the dice at a given moment to it's one person where we've clearly had a committee that voted that to be there unanimously. I'd rather not do that, remove that from them that easily. Okay. So I'll, I'll restate the motion. The motion is to amend line 1 35 by striking a, the presiding officer or, and on line 1 36 B no, leave. Leave line 1 36. But, But we're removing B so it will read Oh, gotcha. Legislation that has been assigned to the consent calendar may be reassigned to the third reading calendar by the house by majority vote upon motion from the floor.

Representative Wilcox, I'd like to move that we pass out.

Yeah, I liked everything but what we took out.

I waive Okay. To the maker of the motion Waive. Okay.

Madam Meeting Clerk First substitute HR seven house rules modifications by Representative Dunnigan. This bill was heard in the rules committee with the vote. 7 0 1

Thank you Mr. Speaker. So first of HR seven does a couple of things regarding house rules On line 34 in committee, after you make a motion, it's our practice that you're allowed to speak and explain your motion. This just puts it in rule. It's been practice, not in rule. In line 45, it says in committee, if you place a substitute motion, you're also allowed to speak to that on line 1 0 7. Currently, when you're doing a an amendment in committee, you can do a verbal amendment not to exceed 15 words, but you can delete as much as you want. This, uh, provides on line 1 0 7 that you can reinstate an unlimited amount of words so that the point of 15 word limit is so, so that people understand what you're doing. And if the lines are before us with stricken out in a bill and you want to reinstate them, they don't count towards your 15 word limit. You can reinstate unlimited number of words because it's there before us. We can see what you're doing. Also on line 1 36, it allows the house by majority vote to remove a bill from the consent calendar and place it on the third reading calendar. We actually had a, um, pur a reason to do this, uh, yesterday. So this is just a little, it is just a tool. Majority vote for the house, remove from consent to the third reading, and then on line 1 62 it clarifies it's already in a rule that you cannot read in a, during a presentation or response. This provides that unless you receive permission from the presiding officer, we've kind of, kind of been relying on masons for this. We'll put it in our rule. It'd be you seek permission from the presiding officer to read a brief statement. So that's our practice that puts it in rule. And then starting line 1 0 6, 1 66, it says that you, we already say that in your presentation you may not use a prop display, a hu a human prop or anything like that. This, what this does is it says in a personal privilege, you may not use a prop unless at the start of your, after your personal privilege, you receive approval from the speaker. There may be occasional and a personal prop is appropriate for personal privilege but not for presentation. So this would allow at the speaker's discretion to allow a prop for personal privilege without open to questions.

Thank you Mr. Speaker. I would like to move adoption of the second substitute. Thank

I would, so, uh, colleagues, you'll remember that we had house joint resolution 10, which allowed us to provide sponsor statements. Um, and that passed out of the house, had a successful committee hearings over in the Senate. It's being held in bill jail over there. So, uh, the solution is to take that and we'll just make it a house resolution. So we'll just make it, we'll do, we'll let the Senate figure out if they wanna do it later, but we'll go ahead and put that into this bill. And so it would be incorporated into this bill. And I've worked with the sponsor who had some concerns about that. So there is one modification regarding the placement. Well, there's two modifications. One regarding the placement of where that would be. I don't know if everybody knows, but you all have on the house website a legislator's page that has your picture and all of your stuff. And so we would have that information be placed on your personal legislative webpage instead of on the bill page, which I think is a good compromise. The second part is instead of requiring the chief clerk to make that, uh, addition personally, it allows the chief clerk to designate a staff person or some other technology so that we can have that done. Uh, not by Edward, by himself. He could have somebody else do that for him. Uh, the second substitute also expands the, um, definition or the, the, um, permission to reinstate or strike multiple words, not just from committees, but also onto the house floor. So just that rule is parallel between what happens in committee and what happens on the house floor. So those are the changes that are in the second substitute. I hope I've detailed those adequately. Would encourage you to adopt the second substitute.

As a friendly amendment. And I appreciate, uh, representative from Provo. I like what he's doing as far as the bill sponsors declaration information. I, I think it's much better placed on our own, uh, under our own name on the website rather than maybe look like it's part of the official document. So I appreciate that and I support the rest of his, uh, bill.

Yeah, so thank you colleagues. This, uh, you know, this is, again, this, these are not new things. They're things that we have considered before. And then the other part of this, the stricken language just makes that parallel between committee and house floor. So that you don't have to wonder like, oh, is this a committee thing or a house floor thing. It's the same no matter where you are. Thank you Mr. Speaker.

I would, uh, I've been working with the good representative. We had one other rule change we wanted to include that just didn't get adopted in this sub. And so if you could give us a little bit of time we can get that adopted.

So I support that motion. I appreciate the representative reminded me. There's one other cleanup we need to do, so let's circle it and get it fixed. We'll bring it back.

Thank you Mr. Speaker. I would like to move adoption of the second substitute. Thank

I would, so, uh, colleagues, you'll remember that we had house joint resolution 10, which allowed us to provide sponsor statements. Um, and that passed out of the house, had a successful committee hearings over in the Senate. It's being held in bill jail over there. So, uh, the solution is to take that and we'll just make it a house resolution. So we'll just make it, we'll do, we'll let the Senate figure out if they wanna do it later, but we'll go ahead and put that into this bill. And so it would be incorporated into this bill. And I've worked with the sponsor who had some concerns about that. So there is one modification regarding the placement. Well, there's two modifications. One regarding the placement of where that would be. I don't know if everybody knows, but you all have on the house website a legislator's page that has your picture and all of your stuff. And so we would have that information be placed on your personal legislative webpage instead of on the bill page, which I think is a good compromise. The second part is instead of requiring the chief clerk to make that, uh, addition personally, it allows the chief clerk to designate a staff person or some other technology so that we can have that done. Uh, not by Edward, by himself. He could have somebody else do that for him. Uh, the second substitute also expands the, um, definition or the, the, um, permission to reinstate or strike multiple words, not just from committees, but also onto the house floor. So just that rule is parallel between what happens in committee and what happens on the house floor. So those are the changes that are in the second substitute. I hope I've detailed those adequately. Would encourage you to adopt the second substitute.

As a friendly amendment. And I appreciate, uh, representative from Provo. I like what he's doing as far as the bill sponsors declaration information. I, I think it's much better placed on our own, uh, under our own name on the website rather than maybe look like it's part of the official document. So I appreciate that and I support the rest of his, uh, bill.

Yeah, so thank you colleagues. This, uh, you know, this is, again, this, these are not new things. They're things that we have considered before. And then the other part of this, the stricken language just makes that parallel between committee and house floor. So that you don't have to wonder like, oh, is this a committee thing or a house floor thing. It's the same no matter where you are. Thank you Mr. Speaker.

Thank Thank you Mr. Speaker. Move to circle.

I would, uh, I've been working with the good representative. We had one other rule change we wanted to include that just didn't get adopted in this sub. And so if you could give us a little bit of time we can get that adopted. Thank you Representative Teuscher, uh,

So I support that motion. I appreciate the representative reminded me. There's one other cleanup we need to do, so let's circle it and get it fixed. We'll bring it back.

Thank you Mr. Speaker. I move to adopt third substitute HR seven. Thank you representative. That motion is an order. Would you like to speak to it? Yes. What, what this does, it says when you're presenting a bill and committee, you need to sit at the presentation table. Even if you're a member of the committee, you need to be at the table. You can't stay on the committee dais. And you need to stay at the table unless the chair excuses you because he wants to load up the table with public commenters.

With a sponsor yield to a clarifying question. Representative Dunnigan, will you yield to a question?

Yes. Yes. Representative. So

This, this, uh, practice of presenting from the, uh, the diocese is more common among the Senate than the House. This does not affect the Senate at all. This is only a house rule modification. So we would take the lead in going down and the, and, uh, presenting in front of the, uh, the panel. But our Senator Vickers would continue to, could continue to present from the diocese. Is that correct?

So, cleaning up the sediment rules as lifetime quest, we're not addressing that today. Uh, what, what this one does is in a house committee, doesn't matter if it's a representative or a center presenters, of course they wouldn't be on the committee at that point. But to answer your question, this is gonna apply to house committees. Representatives need to present from the presentation table.

Thank you Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the efforts to lead and set a good example for the other body.

Thank you speaker. Everything else in the bill we, we discussed last week when we adopted the second sub. So I've outlined the, the change and without encourage your support.

Thank you Mr. Speaker. Um, not that I have an issue with it, I just wondered if the good sponsor could clarify the purpose or the value of having, uh, of having us always present from the, from the table rather than from the diocese.

Yeah, there's a couple of reasons. One is regardless or irrespective if you're a committee member or not, you should have the same position and the same method. You shouldn't get any special treatment in my opinion. 'cause you're a member of the committee. You should go before the presenter's table, face the committee like every other presenter has to do.

I appreciate that. Thank you.

You for the discussion, Mr. Speaker and Crew. Your support.

Thank you Mr. Speaker. I move to adopt third substitute HR seven.

Yes. What, what this does, it says when you're presenting a bill and committee, you need to sit at the presentation table. Even if you're a member of the committee, you need to be at the table. You can't stay on the committee dais. And you need to stay at the table unless the chair excuses you because he wants to load up the table with public commenters.

Yes. Yes. Representative. So This, this, uh, practice of presenting from the, uh, the diocese is more common among the Senate than the House. This does not affect the Senate at all. This is only a house rule modification.

So we would take the lead in going down and the, and, uh, presenting in front of the, uh, the panel. But our Senator Vickers would continue to, could continue to present from the diocese. Is that correct?

So, cleaning up the sediment rules as lifetime quest, we're not addressing that today. Uh, what, what this one does is in a house committee, doesn't matter if it's a representative or a center presenters, of course they wouldn't be on the committee at that point. But to answer your question, this is gonna apply to house committees. Representatives need to present from the presentation table.

Thank you Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the efforts to lead and set a good example for the other body.

Thank you speaker. Everything else in the bill we, we discussed last week when we adopted the second sub. So I've outlined the, the change and without encourage your support.

Thank you Mr. Speaker. Um, not that I have an issue with it, I just wondered if the good sponsor could clarify the purpose or the value of having, uh, of having us always present from the, from the table rather than from the diocese.

Yeah, there's a couple of reasons. One is regardless or irrespective if you're a committee member or not, you should have the same position and the same method. You shouldn't get any special treatment in my opinion. 'cause you're a member of the committee. You should go before the presenter's table, face the committee like every other presenter has to do.

I appreciate that. Thank you.

You for the discussion, Mr. Speaker and Crew. Your support.