S.B. 190 Trailer Registration Amendments: transcript

Yes, I'll do it from right here. This is the bill everybody's been waiting for. That's what the big crowd was here for. So, um, okay. This, this bill is, is actually pretty straightforward. It, uh, amends the vehicle registration notification requirements and provides an option for the lifetime registration for certain vehicles, uh, trailers and non-commercial trailers that do not, uh, uh, operate on an interstate basis. Uh, basically they can pay for, I believe it's four years of the registration upfront, and then they'll be issued a tag that is a lifetime registration for the vehicle. Um, I think the part of the motivation behind this is that, uh, trailers are rarely used in kind of daily operation. And if you look at maybe the, the registration fees that you have to pay for it, that, um, as a percentage of that vehicle, you might have a, you know, a, a really cheap trailer that is, uh, rarely used. If you look at the taxation on that vehicle as a percentage of the purchase price, it ends up being a relatively high fee. I think from a, uh, kind of just law enforcement regulation perspective, these are, not everybody's an everyday vehicle that people are driving. It will still have to be licensed, but, um, I think is viewed as a very tax, uh, payer friendly bill. So that's my presentation. Mr. Chair, vice Chair.

Yeah, thanks. I appreciate this bill, actually. But, uh, I just had a question. So like, each year we get a card in the mail that says your registration's due. Will it have on there the option, or when you go online, it'll just have the option there that you can pick lifetime? Is that How that works? That,

that's a really good question. I'll be completely honest. I don't know the logistics of how the, the DMV will, uh, operate it in terms of how it will look to the consumer. Um, I would hope that that was clearly stated so people know it's an option. So, but I wish I had a better answer for you Representative

That Yeah, that's good.

I, I mean, some of these trailers, uh, you, you might use them five or six times a year, and then they sit and then it's pretty expensive to, to register 'em on a, you know, the single axle. You don't have to, but the double axles you do. And, and, uh, I think this is great.

Yeah, I'll move that. We pass out favorably. SB one 93rd sub. Yes. Taylor registration amendments with a favorable recommendation.

No, I think we're good. Okay. To the members of the committee, I would like to say this is fantastic. Um, thank you for bringing this. I, I think this could actually be something we could look at for maybe vehicles and find a a point and say, you know, is it five years, it six years that you could pay on a vehicle? Maybe? I don't know. I I love this idea. 'cause I, I have a trailer that fits in this category and I'd love for the ability to have a, a, a tag that you pay for or five years, whatever the number is, and, uh, and never have to pay proper. Uh, so, uh, property tax on that. Again, I think it'd be fantastic. So don't forget, single axle trailers don't require registration. Yeah. Mine's a double, uh, anymore. Yeah. Thanks to my bill.

Um, I think you'll be glad to know that. I think it was in transportation. We just heard that very bill from, uh, representative Tom Peterson. Uh, if it's o over 15 years old, he's proposing, we don't have to register it anymore, But I'm talking about my, my truck now that's not 15 years old. He, he, he, it's a, it's a work in process next year. I think he's, uh, next year I think he's going aiming for 12. Yeah. And then, so on, so forth.

We will, uh, entertain one final motion. Motion to adjourn. That is an un debatable motion. All in favor say aye. Aye.

All right. Uh, thank you committee. Uh, I have amendment one to the second substitute and I wanna thank the committee for your patience. It's been a frustrating Bill 'cause it's, I'm saying I'm not trying to mess with this and you guys are saying, I think you are and I wanna get it clear. Let's clear it up. So I appreciate the, the committee's, uh, patience on it. Alright, there. Okay, so if you've got your computer up, he's added as it was recommended on line 61 and, and is eligible for lifetime registration described in section 41, 1 A 2 2 8. I think that's what we ask for. Yes. Senator Ipson.

I make a motion that we move amendment number one and Senator Brammer name.

So, as you know, I'm Brett Stewart with Utah, OHV Advocates and I'm appreciate you letting me voice my opinion. Um, I'm here to support and thank Senator Brammer for the first sub. Um, and it's really awesome to be able to sit down with somebody, a sponsor of a bill, and be able to discuss some of the issues of it and come up with a solution that we think is best for the majority of the public. And that's exactly what we've done here. So I just wanted to thank you for that. Thanks.

Again. Thank you Mr. Chair. Uh, Rick k Clasby, executive Director of Utah Trucking Association. And I just want to say thank you to Senator Brammer. There's been some confusion throughout the day and I appreciate your effort to offer clarity. We, we 100% support this bill as amended. Um, our primary concern was we want to incentivize folks in my, my industry to buy Utah plates. And we, we appreciate what you did last year, Senator Winterton. So thank you for both of your efforts. Appreciate you.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I make a motion that we move out Senate bill one 92nd substitute as amended with a favorable recommendation Discussion. To that,

Thank you for your consideration.

Uh, uh, so what this does is it allows, uh, a an owner of a, of a non-commercial trailer to pay four times the regular trailer fee and never have to pay that fee again as long as they own it. And with that, I'm open to any questions.

they can pay, uh, four times the yearly fee and they'll have a lifetime registration for that trailer. And with that, I'm open to any questions.

Um, yeah, let's go ahead and let's, I'll move the sub.

Uh, this conforms some of the, this, these are some technical requests from the tax commission to help make this work. And so I don't think there's any substantive difference, it's just administratively makes it a little easier.

Uh, yes. Okay.

Thank you Mr. President Pro Temp. The, um, home-based childcare bill is just trying to increase more availability

So this is the, uh, this allows for lifetime registration of a trailer. You pay four times the normal fee and we were just waiting for the fiscal note on the third sub sub to catch up. So that was why it was circled. So, uh, with that I'm open to any questions. Okay.

Senator Vickers Baldry Aye. Lewin Aye. Brammer Aye. Bus Aye. Comore as Camilla Fillmore Aye. Grover Aye. Harper Aye. Hankins Aye. Ipson Aye. Johnson? Aye. Juab McKay McKay. Aye. Mikel Milner Musselman Owens Pitcher Plum Rebi Aye. Sandal Aye. Stevenson Stratton Bickers Weiler Wilson Winterton Aye. Voted Aye. President Adams

Uh, thank you Mr. Speaker. Uh, this is the second best, uh, trailer bill that, uh, has ever been before the body. Um, the first best related to single axle. So this is actually the best, uh, double axle trailer bill. It's, it's very straightforward. The bill allows to register a trailer for the lifetime period, which the vehicle is titled by the owner. The registration applies only to non-commercial vehicles and does not impact the current commercial trailer fee schedule. Um, so it's, it's not the biggest bill that we've, uh, had this session, but if you, for citizens that own a double axle trailer, they probably wonder why do I have to keep registering this and paying the fees. This just simplifies things for both the DMV for trailer owners and, uh, simplifies government. So that's my presentation. Mr. Speaker

I don't, was not planning to run the sub? No, because I told the bills funded. So You want to circle Or do you feel I, if there's any question, I would be happy to have a friend Circle Yes.

Representative Koford. Motion To circle. Thank you,

I'll waive representative.

Uh, thank you Mr. Speaker. Motion to move, move for substitute.

Uh, yes. This, uh, addresses the fiscal note.

Uh, thank you Mr. Speaker. Yeah, this bill is still the best double axle trailer bill in legislative history. Uh, simply provides a trailer owner the option, not the requirement, the option to do one time, uh, lifetime registration, which does cost a bit more money. But if you don't wanna do that, think maybe, oh, I'm gonna sell it in a few years. Just continue with the standard one year renewal. This just gives taxpayers flexibility. If they believe they're gonna trailer own the trailer a longer time, then that will allow them to save money. So that's the basics of, of the bill. Mr. Speaker,

Thank you. Uh, as the, uh, well, will the sponsor yield to a Question Representative Stevie? Listen, will you yield to a question?

Yes, Yes. Representative Strong

Thank you. As, as the sponsor of the greatest trailer bill in history, which was no registration at all. Um, I, my question is, why did we come up on four times? So you pay, you got, uh, you gotta register your trailer and you have to pay four times the amount of the registration, and it's good for a lifetime. Uh, thank, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Uh, and I'll, I'll do kind of an informal point of order. The prior bill referenced was only for single axle trailers. So the lifetime exemption, I just need to get that on the record.

But to the heart of the question, the, uh, this bill has been structured from a fiscal perspective that with those extra upfront dollars, that reduces, not eliminates, but reduces the overall cost of the bill to the fiscal note to make it doable within the budget that has been allocated, the funds that have been allocated for EAC for this bill. So I think we'd all agree that, uh, we'd rather not pay taxes at all in trailers. Like, uh, the good, uh, sponsor from, uh, RI Riverton has attempted before. Um, but this just gives taxpayers an option that they don't currently have. If they don't want to use it, they don't have to. But future legislation could reduce it to maybe two years, but that will leave that for a future legislature.

Thank you. Mr. Speaker. One other question. If say someone was to sell their trailer inside that four years, would there have been any sort of refund?

Um, I don't believe that there is a refund.

Thank you. Well, um, we are where we are and I'm supportive of the legislation. Uh, wish that it was times one, but, uh, maybe, maybe I can run a bill like that some other year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the sponsor, yield Representative Eliason, will you yield?

Yes. Yes. Representative Chew.

So, uh, you know, every year when we register our our vehicles, we get a little sticker in the mail that, uh, uh, we put on our license plate. How do we anticipate it'll be, um, you know, we'll recognize whether I've got, uh, my, uh, trailer that's just been sitting out at the trail for the last five years and the stickers fell off from it. Uh, for one that's got, how are we gonna indicate? How are we gonna indicate that, uh, the, the vehicle has a, uh, lifetime on it?

I thank you, Mr. Speaker. Uh, that very good question. I am told that the tax commission will issue a lifetime sticker. That, uh, as long as it's affixed to that plate and associated with that trailer will never have to be replaced. Um, maybe in 10 or 15 years, they'll give you a new sticker if the old one wears off. But it is a lifetime sticker so you don't have to mess with it every year.

Okay. I, I appreciate that. It'll be interesting to see how, uh, how long the lifetime, uh, sticker stays. But, uh, thank you.

Uh, thank you Mr. Speaker. This bill has been endorsed by the Trailer Caucus and, um, a, a a a lot of other folks. So, uh, appreciate your support. Thank you.

Uh, thank you Mr. Speaker. Motion to move, move for substitute.

Uh, yes. This, uh, addresses the fiscal note.

Uh, thank you Mr. Speaker. Yeah, this bill is still the best double axle trailer bill in legislative history. Uh, simply provides a trailer owner the option, not the requirement, the option to do one time, uh, lifetime registration, which does cost a bit more money. But if you don't wanna do that, think maybe, oh, I'm gonna sell it in a few years. Just continue with the standard one year renewal. This just gives taxpayers flexibility. If they believe they're gonna trailer own the trailer a longer time, then that will allow them to save money. So that's the basics of, of the bill. Mr. Speaker,

Thank you. Uh, as the, uh, well, will the sponsor yield to a Question Representative Stevie? Listen, will you yield to a question?

Yes, Yes. Representative Strong

Thank you. As, as the sponsor of the greatest trailer bill in history, which was no registration at all. Um, I, my question is, why did we come up on four times? So you pay, you got, uh, you gotta register your trailer and you have to pay four times the amount of the registration, and it's good for a lifetime. Uh, thank, thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Uh, and I'll, I'll do kind of an informal point of order. The prior bill referenced was only for single axle trailers. So the lifetime exemption, I just need to get that on the record. But to the heart of the question, the, uh, this bill has been structured from a fiscal perspective that with those extra upfront dollars, that reduces, not eliminates, but reduces the overall cost of the bill to the fiscal note to make it doable within the budget that has been allocated, the funds that have been allocated for EAC for this bill. So I think we'd all agree that, uh, we'd rather not pay taxes at all in trailers. Like, uh, the good, uh, sponsor from, uh, RI Riverton has attempted before. Um, but this just gives taxpayers an option that they don't currently have. If they don't want to use it, they don't have to. But future legislation could reduce it to maybe two years, but that will leave that for a future legislature.

Thank you. Mr. Speaker. One other question. If say someone was to sell their trailer inside that four years, would there have been any sort of refund?

Um, I don't believe that there is a refund.

Thank you. Well, um, we are where we are and I'm supportive of the legislation. Uh, wish that it was times one, but, uh, maybe, maybe I can run a bill like that some other year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the sponsor, yield Representative Eliason, will you yield?

Yes. Yes. Representative Chew.

So, uh, you know, every year when we register our our vehicles, we get a little sticker in the mail that, uh, uh, we put on our license plate. How do we anticipate it'll be, um, you know, we'll recognize whether I've got, uh, my, uh, trailer that's just been sitting out at the trail for the last five years and the stickers fell off from it. Uh, for one that's got, how are we gonna indicate? How are we gonna indicate that, uh, the, the vehicle has a, uh, lifetime on it?

I thank you, Mr. Speaker. Uh, that very good question. I am told that the tax commission will issue a lifetime sticker. That, uh, as long as it's affixed to that plate and associated with that trailer will never have to be replaced. Um, maybe in 10 or 15 years, they'll give you a new sticker if the old one wears off. But it is a lifetime sticker so you don't have to mess with it every year.

Okay. I, I appreciate that. It'll be interesting to see how, uh, how long the lifetime, uh, sticker stays. But, uh, thank you.

Uh, thank you Mr. Speaker. This bill has been endorsed by the Trailer Caucus and, um, a, a a a lot of other folks. So, uh, appreciate your support. Thank you.

The changes are just some minor ones to make sure that the, uh, registration fee and the fiscal note lined up appropriately.

Senator Vickers Baldy Lewin Brammer Bus Cullimore Escamia Fillmore Grover Fillmore Harper. He Hankins Ipson Johnson Juab McKay Mikel Milner Musselman Owens Pitcher Plum Rebe Sandal Stevenson Aye. Stratton Aye. Aye. Weiler Aye. Aye. Wilson. Aye. Winterton President Adams Aye.