S.B. 253 Library Materials Amendments

What this bill does

The bill would require school districts and charter schools to adopt a written collection development policy and a policy for digital materials, plus a process for parents or others to request review of materials and a procedure for relocating materials when they are removed. It would add certified language arts teachers as an option to teacher librarians for certain material-selection duties and bars retaliation against employees who refuse to remove materials; sensitive materials law stays unchanged.

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• 5 yes, 0 no, 2 absentSenate Education Committee: Amendment Recommendation · Feb 13, 2026Who voted how
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  1. Committee chair25:01

     The first bill on the agenda today is, uh, Senate Bill 2 53 Library Materials amendments. Uh, and I notice you have an amendment online. I do.

  2. Sen. Michael K. McKell25:13

     I think it's a Back from stakeholders. And one of the concerns on the amendment was a certified librarian is, it's tough to get, it's an important credential, but we we're gonna amend it and, and include certified language art teachers. Uh, I know in high schools they typically have that. I know in middle schools they typically have that, but in some of the elementary schools, that's, that's hard. And, and some of the feedback I received suggested that we, we use certified language arts teachers. So that's, that's what that amendment does, and it's a simple amendment line with 1 53. So what about, what about all the teachers that are currently doing it being librarians? Um, If there's teachers doing it right now, they're currently librarians. They, they would comply with the standard. The teacher librarians that are in place today would meet this standard. And I've had a chance to review, review that, that language with teacher librarian and certified language arts teachers. And, um, the schools, the schools that I've talked to, I'm not gonna speak for everybody, but, but I know, as far as I can tell, they've taken a PO position of support. And we'll let them speak for themselves today. But with this amendment, I, I think there's good broad support for that definition, including both. So what else? Is that all that's in the amendment then? Yeah, you'll See that on line 1 53 in the amendment. You'll see, you'll see on line 1 53. It's under the direction of, before it was teacher librarian. You'll see that we have added or certified language arts teacher and that that is the addition that you'll see. Okay. Uh, so do you wanna move that amendment? Yes.

  3. Committee chair26:54

     Okay. So, uh, the motion on the table, uh, is to, uh, move amendment one. Any discussion to that motion? Seeing none, I'm gonna place the motion. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Chair rules? That is unanimous. Thank you. Okay.

  4. Committee chair27:13

     To the bill, to the amended bill, SB 2 53. Alright, thank you.

  5. Sen. Michael K. McKell27:16

     Let's just run, let's just run through this. This is, this has been an issue before the legislature in the past, and I wanna be really clear about this Bill and I, and I, and I wanna point your attention. This is where we're gonna start. We're gonna start on line 1 98 and 1 99. 'cause I think this is important, and I'm gonna read it word for word. Just so we're very clear. Nothing in this section overrides or negates any provision of state law, including prohibition of sensitive materials under section 50 3G dash 10 dash 1 0 3. So this bill is not a sensitive materials bill. Everything that pertains to sensitive materials that we've seen in the code in the past stays exactly the same. We specifically call it out in the bill, in, in actually two separate locations. But you'll see that it is, that is, it is called out on line 1 98, 1 99. You'll also see that it's called out on line 1 43. Sensitive materials means the same as the term defined in section 50 3G ten one oh six. So we have a bill before us, um, dealing, dealing with, uh, materials that we, we find in schools. You'll see line 95. The first thing we're asking is something that already happens in, in, in schools across the state. We ask them to develop a plan, and you'll see that you'll, you'll have in line 95 a collection development policy. We asked them to develop that. Um, you'll see in line 1 0 5, 1 0 3 that a policy for digital materials. Uh, the world is definitely mo moving more digital, so that that's in the, in, in the materials. You'll see the definition of instructional materials. Uh, you'll see that that definition did not change. Instructional materials in line one 13 means the same as the term defined in section 50 3G ten one oh three. So that's exactly, exactly the same. Um, library, you'll see some of the definitions to the LEA and some of the instructional materials defined in code. Um, the other thing I think is important, this bill, you'll see in line 1 23, we need to have a policy for folks to come and ask for a material to be reviewed. So we have a reconsideration policy that's in line 1 23. I think that that's a good, a good process to have. You'll see in line 1 28, uh, number nine, a relocation. Um, what do we do when we remove materials? Um, as you move through the bill I talked about, I started with 1 43. Uh, just making sure it's clear that sensitive materials remains the same. That has not changed. Um, this bill i, I think, is important. And, and, and it's important because it continues to be an issue. Um, what we're trying to do is, is empower local control. And we're trying to empower parental rights. I think this bill does that. This bill also is important in protecting children from inappropriate content. I think it's important to have that in, in the bill and make sure that we are, we are protecting, protecting these kids in an appropriate way. And, uh, with that, i, I, I think I'll open up for questions. And I, and I know there's probably some feedback from, from the public, but as far as, as far as as my own education community that I live in, I've had a chance to work on the language with my own LEA and the language that amendment there, the, the concern they had was, do we have resources to do this? And that, that's why we had the amendment. But with that, I'm open for questions, Mr. Chair.

  6. Committee chair30:40

     So that concludes your presentation. Yes. We're gonna come back to the committee then for discussion. Uh, Senator Balderree, go ahead.

  7. Sen. Balderree30:51

     So I have two questions, if I may. Go ahead. Thank you. Um, the first would be in lines 250 through 258. Are you intending to tie the hands of principals and school administration on, on how they can react to the conduct of a librarian? That's how I read it, because that's question one. Okay. And then the, and do you want, and then I can stop and ask the second one, or,

  8. Sen. Michael K. McKell31:17

     Yeah, yeah. So you'll see in line two 50 through 2 58, we, we don't want retaliation in schools. And that, and that's why that language is there. If we, if we have a problem, let's, let's address the problem. But let's not retaliate. That's, that's the retaliation language against employees. And, and, and I think the language speaks for itself. The LEA may not retaliate against an individual, the LEA employees, for refusing to remove materials in school collections that are subject to the request. What we wanna do is address the, the materials, uh, rather, rather than have retaliation against employees one way or the other. And I think I, I think this is an important, uh, an important provision. Um, we, we have reconsideration for materials. This is about materials rather, rather than employees.

  9. Sen. Balderree31:59

     Uh, thank you for that, uh, reply. Uh, that's not how I, I see it. Uh, I don't see any way that they can, um, go after someone who has done what they've been asked not to do. So, um, that's my opinion. And then the other one is, how much will it cost to hire librarians with master's degrees? And, you know, does a degree necessarily equate, uh, with good judgment? I would argue that a degree doesn't always equate with good judgment. Yeah.

  10. Sen. Michael K. McKell32:30

      And that's a great question. That's why we did the amendment. We actually took out the, the certified librarian language in the bill, so that, that's why that language actually came out in the amendment. So, um, that, that's a good question. And I think the amendment addresses that concern.

  11. Committee chair32:45

      Thank you. Senator Repe, did you have No. Okay. Thank you. So, seeing no other lights, uh, let's go to members of the public for a comment. How many people want to comment to this bill? Okay. Come up. I'm gonna, I'm gonna set the timer for two minutes.

  12. Christy Giblon, President, Provo Education Association33:10

      I'll finish filling up the paper. Alright. My name is, I am the president of the Provo Education Association. I'm a teacher in Provo, and I'm speaking in favor of this bill. Um, I, I, I'm, I'm intrigued actually by Senator Balder's question about judgment. Um, you're correct that a degree doesn't necessarily give someone judgment, however, it does give them the knowledge of what materials are actually appropriate for our students. Um, so some of, I think if we had certified librarians in all of our schools, they could catch some of these sensitive materials before they even made it to the point of having to be examined to be removed. Because they have the training and expertise to know what kind of materials are appropriate for their students. And they can also help guide students towards materials that are appropriate for their reading level. I know that it's a high priority for the legislature to raise literacy levels in the state. And certified librarians can assist with that because they're aware of methods used to teach reading and they can help recommend appropriate books for students. Um, also having certified librarians that can actually teach lessons in the library is helpful. I'm a music teacher, and when I've taught general music, um, I, we used to have a certified librarian in our school. I teach middle school. Um, and I could take my classes in when we were doing research projects, and we had a certified librarian that could actually teach lessons on appropriate research methodology and how to find information besides just Googling everything. Um, and they were really helpful to me as a teacher, because as a music teacher, that's not necessarily in my wheelhouse, but that's why having a certified language arts teacher or a certified librarian would be helpful in our schools. Um, I know sometimes we try to save money by hiring an hourly aid, but we really need certified teachers. Thank you. Go ahead. Hello.

  13. Committee chair35:05

      State your name for the record.

  14. Tamara Watson, Director of Communications, Utah Association of Public Charter Schools35:06

      Uh, my name is Tamara Watson. I'm the Director of Communications for the Utah Association of Public Charter Schools. We would like to publicly voice our support for, uh, Senator ml's bill. We think that this bill establishes good policy that balances parent parental concern with school materials management. We love that it enables schools to identify a good system and, and gives them parameters of which to operate. And we do appreciate the, the sponsor working with people to remove the master's degree. That was our one concern, and seeing that amendment, uh, helped to us get behind this bill. So thank you.

  15. Committee chair35:44

      Thank you. Go ahead, state your name for the record.

  16. Mark Clement, Utah School Boards Association35:50

      Okay. I'm Mark Clement. I'm the, uh, I work with the Utah Boards Association and our joint legislative committee, which includes superintendents and business administrators and, uh, board members has voted to, uh, support this bill. Uh, we, um, one question we did have was this, uh, in elementary schools, you may not have a language arts teacher, and it would be better if it was just a certified teacher. Um, but, uh, we feel like, uh, uh, our public schools are totally committed to, uh, providing high quality materials that, uh, uh, and avoiding anything that would be sensitive. And so we, we want to con collaborate in, uh, making this happen.

  17. Committee chair36:39

      Thank you. Go ahead, state your name for the record and who you represent.

  18. Deborah Gatrell, teacher36:45

      Thank you. My name is Debra Gare. I'm a teacher. I'm here just speaking as myself. Um, I teach multiple subjects and, uh, multiple advanced placement courses. And I understand that this bill is targeted specifically to school libraries. So my concern may not be relevant, and if that's the case, please don't worry about it. But in looking at lines 2 41 through 2 48, I know that there notice that there's a requirement for digital resource providers that aggregate periodicals to, uh, allow An article to be stricken or a periodical to be stricken at the title issue or article level. And, um, some of the AP courses that we offer do include resources like JSOR, where we have peer reviewed professional articles that are accessible to students for doing, uh, high quality research. And so that's a concern where a national database like that, um, might be subject to something like this. And if that's the case, I I would ask that that be amended and removed. But otherwise, I'm very, very supportive of the bill is written because it does meet a need. Thank

  19. Committee chair37:49

      You. Thank you. Any other comments? Okay. We have, uh, three people online. Uh, Danielle. Huh? Daniel, Daniel, Catherine Scott. Is that There's three names. Oh, yeah. Oh, Daniel first, sorry. State your name for the record. No worries. And, and go ahead.

  20. Daniel Neville-Rehbehn, Chair, Utah Library Association38:26

      Hi, everyone. Um, my name is Daniel Neville. Raven, I'm with the Utah Library Association. I'm the chair of the advocacy committee. And, uh, I just want to thank, uh, Senator Kel. And we are speaking strongly in support of this bill. Um, this is the correct way for us to be addressing both the June, 2025 and October, 2025 audits concerning school library materials. This bill really aligned with accepted library practice and relies upon expertise of librarians and local control to curate safe collections for our student, which is something we all deeply care about, making sure our kids are safe, um, uh, that I think strong collection policies help protect students and help protect librarians. And we are very supportive of this. Bill, thank you for your efforts that you put into it.

  21. Committee chair39:12

      Thank you, Catherine.

  22. Katherine Paterson, Utah Library Association39:18

      Hi there. Um, I don't quite know how to turn my camera on, so I'll just go ahead and start. Well,

  23. Committee chair39:24

      We, we actually have to have your screen on in order to have comments From you. Okay. Start video. Oh, there we go. Okay. So, so, thank you, sir. Tell us your name and who, who you represent and where you are actually.

  24. Katherine Paterson, Utah Library Association39:36

      Yes. My name is Catherine Tucker Patterson. I'm a member of the Utah Library Association, and I reside in Salt Lake County. Um, I would also like to speak in support of this bill. I've worked in libraries for over a decade. And much like Daniel, I've read both audits, uh, that took place last year, both the June and October audits. And I believe this bill is the best way to address both of those audits. Um, it's like aligned with accepted library practice, and it relies on the expertise of librarians and teachers to curate safe collections for our students. Uh, with clear, proactive policies created by librarians and language arts teachers, inappropriate materials will be much less likely to find their way into our schools. And these proactive collection development policies can prevent districts, uh, from increasing workload on librarians parents and review groups by making sure that materials in libraries are age appropriate and unlikely to be challenged lending. This, the number of these challenges can really help to make sure that our librarians and our educators are spending their time doing the things that they need to do that help our students most. Thank you so much.

  25. Committee chair40:38

      Thank you. And we have, we had Scott already, right? And we didn't have Dan Danielle yet. I down's the last one. Okay. Scott, state your name for the record and go ahead.

  26. Scott Bernier, Vice President, Library and Government Relations, EBSCO Information Services41:00

      Great. My name's Scott Burner. Um, thank you, uh, chair Jonathan and members of the committee, uh, for the opportunity to testify and support of, of SB 2 53. Could you Tell us who you represent and where you're at? Okay, surely. I, I, uh, I represent EBSCO Information Services. Uh, it's a library, a company that provides research information to libraries. Uh, I'm coming to from Massachusetts, um, Senate Bill 2 53. I think the main goal is to create a, to further enable a safe learning environment for research and information for our children. Um, we support this goal. Um, we, we, we believe that your libraries are the, uh, are the solution to that challenge. So if we're looking to create a safe environment for kids, our libraries curate materials. They, uh, they have policies and procedures to ensure that, um, the materials are appropriate for a given community. Um, and, uh, uh, the alternative, if we, you know, uh, deteriorate our library's curated materials, uh, is the open web, which it comes along with a host of, uh, of other potential concerns. For a little bit of context, EBSCO o's databases, research databases are created by bringing together a reputable high quality magazines, journals, and newspapers to pull into collections that are designed to meet specific needs for a given audience. So it could be an elementary school or a middle school or high school. And we curate and then we further, uh, give access to, uh, schools to curate. And so we curated a publication level, choosing which publications may be appropriate. We further curate at a, at an item level to make sure that nothing can get in, that might not be right for your community. And then the third level of, of curation is controls that are handed to schools, to your LEAs, to your, to your local schools, to be able to, uh, further cur, uh, curate materials and to make sure only the right stuff for their given community, uh, is available In the resources. I would say there are five real key areas important of importance that, that are addressed by this bill. Uh, first is it builds on Utah sensitive materials laws to, you know, further create a safe environment, avoiding the risks of the open web. The second is to provide transparency and accountability around school libraries, their policies and, and decisions relative collection, relative to collection development and reconsideration. It also, thirdly, brings together or empowers a community first approach. So what's right in each community and how we manage and ensure that our materials are in line with the goals and needs of a community. Those tools are there and available. Um, the fourth is to protect miners data privacy. And so issues around security and privacy, uh, that might abound on the open web. Uh, this, this bill makes sure that with those, those, uh, require, there's no requirement to, to track our kids. Um, and the last is to support state education standards, uh, around, uh, and, and literacy goals. And so, generating or guaranteeing students have places for safe learning and research that help set 'em up for a few future success, uh, as it maybe as entering the workforce or onto, uh, further education. So I'm happy to answer any questions. I really appreciate the time. Thank you.

  27. Committee chair44:10

      Thank you. Any, any other members of the audience want to comment on this? Bill, come forward. State your name for the record.

  28. Corinne Johnson, President, Utah Parents United44:39

      Sorry, I just walked in. We on. Okay. I just wanted to share my thoughts as, um, CR Johnson, um, personally today, um, we haven't voted on this bill at Utah Parents United, but we have several concerns with the policy, and I've had those, I'll have those concerns sent over to Senator Mikel on the bill. But we are asking at this time, since those concerns have not been able to be addressed to have this bill held. So, thank you.

  29. Unknown speaker45:06speaker not certain

      Have a question? Yeah. Wait, May I have a question for, For, for her? Yeah. Okay. I mean, for the, Uh, The Witness. The witness. Thank you. Can you say if you're representing anybody else? And do you have affiliations with any kind of vendor?

  30. Corinne Johnson, President, Utah Parents United45:33

      No, no, I'm not representing anyone else, and I have no affiliations with any vendor.

  31. Unknown speaker45:40speaker not certain

      Thank you. And you're with Utah Parents United, Utah Parents United.

  32. Committee chair45:44

      Hey, just, just for the record, I don't think you stated your name and your affiliation at the same time, so just go ahead and do that.

  33. Corinne Johnson, President, Utah Parents United45:51

      Just Corinne Johnson, president of Utah Parents United, speaking on behalf of myself on this issue.

  34. Committee chair45:56

      Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Any other member of the audience want to talk about this? If not, we're gonna come back to the Committee for action,

  35. Sen. Michael K. McKell46:12

      Mr. Chair. I'll make a motion. Okay. Um, I would move that we favorably recommend this bill. Um, I, and I, and I do wanna clarify, I think Senator Balder had a great question and is certainly there, there can be discipline for somebody, but you'll read in line 2 53. That's not until before you do the reconsideration. So I, I think that that language is there, but I, I would, I would move that we favorably recommend Senate Bill 2 53 as amended.

  36. Committee chair46:42

      Okay. The motion is to recommend, uh, Senator Fillmore discussion, the motion.

  37. Sen. Lincoln Fillmore46:49

      Thanks. Uh, I wasn't here, Mr. President for, uh, you know, the clarifying, uh, questions part of this. I apologize. I stepped out, meet with the constituent. Um, but having heard some of the public comment, I'd like to, I wonder if the sponsoring, he can maybe answer this directly if it's all right with you or address it, his some, but, you know, we heard a lot of support and some concerns about this, and some of the concerns, uh, had, uh, mentioned that they'd send those concerns to you. And my question for the sponsor is, uh, uh, are, are you willing to work with those stakeholders to address their concerns before this is brought up for second reading on the floor? I share some of those concerns. I feel like this might be moving backwards from a process that's in place. And, uh, uh, you know, the, the, the legislature, for better or for worse is, uh, has taken a lot of, uh, of steps to move forward, empowering parents in that process. And I, I don't wanna undermine any of those, um, any of those, uh, protections that we've put in, in place for parents.

  38. Sen. Michael K. McKell47:45

      Yeah. And I'm happy to do that. And I was taking notes during the hearing and, and listing some of those concerns. Um, and I know one of the concerns was certified language arts teachers, and maybe it's better just to have a certified teacher in addition to the teacher librarian. But those other concerns, I was, I was taking notes and I'm ha happy to do that if this moves forward.

  39. Unknown speaker48:03speaker not certain

      Uh, Mr. Chairman, may I, uh, yes, go ahead. One concern you might consider is that a lot of LEAs are one school big and may not have a specific teacher librarian at any given time. And that might be something you'd wanna look at. Um, and I, I don't want anything in here to be able to, uh, undo the right of parents to be able to identify and submit, um, material for review by the committee that's already set up in law. Is there anything in this bill that would undo or weaken that process?

  40. Sen. Michael K. McKell48:33

      No, I don't, I don't see that. And you've got a, you've got a straight, uh, reconsideration policy that is in this bill, but I'm happy to review it with you. We don't change the definitions of sensitive materials at all. And I, I started with that, that, um, place. But you'll also see the parent portal is in place, the same statute we referenced that. Um, but if there's anything in, so it'd be the section, the consideration policy, if there's anything in that policy as you look at it. And that's gonna be on line 2, 2 0 1. If there's anything in that is, if this moves forward, I'm happy to work with you to make sure that we haven't done anything that would restrict, restrict where we're at and go backwards. I, I certainly don't wanna do that. And, and we call out some of those previous, uh, those previous provisions of code on purpose. So we don't, but if there's something in this process that we need to work on, I'm happy to do that.

  41. Unknown speaker49:24speaker not certain

      I, I do have some questions. The, the questions I've been getting most are online 1 75 through 1 93, basically redefining that a book book can be chosen if they fall under five of the items listed, uh, they can be shelved. Do any of the books that have been permanently removed qualify under five of those qualifications? Can you, can you point me to where you're looking at, are you looking at interest, cultural perspective, age levels, ability levels, or learning styles?

  42. Sen. Michael K. McKell49:54

      Yes. Um, so, so It's, it's on starting on 1 75, and then it goes through 1 93.

  43. Unknown speaker50:03speaker not certain

      Okay. Can you point me the five that you were concerned about? Well, I, I, I mean, p things that I've received are, you know, artistic or the accurate, potentially appealing to interest, multilingual and stuff like that.

  44. Sen. Michael K. McKell50:17

      I, I think I, I think some of those, I, I think the concerns are about whether just having these criteria right, might lead to putting back on the shelf or shelving books that, that qualify. And my understanding is that what your main concern is, honestly, is is the online databases.

  45. Unknown speaker50:41speaker not certain

      Right. So when you talk about being shelved, are you talking about being allowed to be on the online database or?

  46. Sen. Michael K. McKell50:50

      We we're dealing with the database, but one of the places I start, and I wanna be really clear about this, um, line 1 99 is, is important that the language that we dealt with in the past deals specifically with sensitive materials. And, and we call that out twice in this bill on purpose. And the bills that have been removed have been based on sensitive materials. And we specifically, we specifically stated in the bill that nothing in this section overrides, negates any provision of state law, including the prohibition on sensitive materials under section 50 3G ten one oh three, and we're on record today, legislative history, but we put it in the bill on purpose. If there's a bill that's been removed, the bill, the a book, uh, or or material in school, it, it's been removed under the sensitive material provisions. And we leave that intact and we leave it intact in two separate places that this bill, just to make sure it's clear.

  47. Unknown speaker51:38speaker not certain

      Thank you. I, I I wanted you to clarify that.

  48. Committee chair51:42

      Uh, any other comments or concerns?

  49. Unknown speaker51:49speaker not certain

      I, you know, I, I would echo honestly what Senator Fillmore said. You know, if, you know, I hope that you're willing to work with the people who have still have concerns with this before you,

  50. Sen. Michael K. McKell52:03

      Uh, sure, sure. But

  51. Sen. Michael K. McKell52:04

      to be fair, and, and I'm gonna put this on the record, just just so you know, um, I, I haven't received those concerns. Those concerns have not been brought to my attention. The concerns that have been brought to my attention, we've, we've addressed, um, other, other concerns have not been, um, I will work with stakeholders. I'm happy to do that. But the, those, those concerns of going, going backwards, I hadn't heard that until today, but we are really clear to make sure that we put those provisions dealing with sensitive materials, we left that intact in the code. I, I, if, if that is a concern, this is the first time I'm hearing that concern. And, and I just wanna make sure that, that I'm clear on the record of that.

  52. Committee chair52:39

      Thank you. Uh, Senator Riebe, go ahead.

  53. Sen. Riebe52:43

      Thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh, I know that there's regional service centers out there that are really great resources when smaller school districts are trying to navigate, uh, tricky policies. And they are a great resource that all of our state, well, not all of our state, but most of our state can rely on to, uh, assist with these things. So our regional service centers, which do incredible jobs and I work for, can help with that.

  54. Committee chair53:08

      Senator Baldry, do you have a comment,

  55. Sen. Balderree53:13

      Move to hold the bill?

  56. Committee chair53:17

      We have, we have a motion on the table. Oh, okay. So I guess you could, uh, do an alternative motion, which would be a order, a substitute motion. No, I didn't hear, I didn't hear the original. Okay. So the motion actually is to send out with favorable recommendation, right? And so you could, It is a substitute motion. You could use a substitute motion if you'd like.

  57. Sen. Balderree53:41

      Yes, please. Okay. I moved to hold the bill.

  58. Committee chair53:43

      Okay. So the substitute motion is to hold the bill, uh, and tell, okay. So, Um, you accept, Okay, so the substitute motion is to hold the bill. Uh, any discussion on the substitute motion?

  59. Sen. Michael K. McKell54:05

      Yeah. So that that starts with me, right? Yeah. And, and I oppose that. And, and to be, and, and just to be clear, we, we've had a good discussion and, and Senator Baldry, your two concerns that you, that you brought up are both, are both addressed in the language, both in the substitute and in the language. Um, I think it would be unfair to, to hold the bill at this point. I'm willing to work with folks, but this very specific two questions you asked me are, are addressed in the bill. And in a situation like this, I think it'd be unfair to hold the bill. I think it should move forward To the substitute. Now, now we can have discussion on the substitute motion. Right? So, so any discussion on the substitute motion?

  60. Committee chair54:44

      Senator Balderree, go ahead.

  61. Sen. Balderree54:46

      So my concern is today we heard, um, from, with the exception of one person, we heard all in favor of the bill, I have people texting me saying that they were online and they were not promoted that we're against it. So we have not had, um, good thorough debate. We've heard from one person. Um, and so for that reason, I'm asking to please hold the bill so we can have proper debate.

  62. Committee chair55:12

      There. There was one hand raised after public comment, but, uh, we closed it. I, I don't think, yeah, I, I don't, I don't see anybody that was on there, so, but that, that is the motion on the table, though, to hold the bill. Uh, any further discussion? The motion Y

  63. Unknown speaker55:33speaker not certain

      Yes. I would also say it was also lower on the agenda. So I don't think pe that the opposition was prepared and, uh, they didn't know that it was going to go first.

  64. Committee chair55:41

      Oh, okay. Senator Hinkins to the

  65. Sen. Hinkins55:45

      Thank. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh, this is the first, uh, uh, public hearing. There'll be one in the house when this passes the Senate. They'll have a, the, they'll have opportunities to talk about this, but, you know, we're starting to get into LA later part of the session, and we'd like to help all that we can to get these bills through, because we got a mess of them. We need to get as many through as we can. So, uh, there, there are other, be other opportunities for the public to speak to this. So I always say that we need to, I'm, I'm opposed to holding the bill.

  66. Committee chair56:14

      Okay. So the motion on the table then is to hold the bill. Any other comments on the motion?

  67. Committee chair56:20

      Seeing none, I'm gonna come back to, uh, center bald Senator Baldry, then Senator, I'll waive.

  68. Committee chair56:27

      Okay. Uh, Senator ml?

  69. Sen. Michael K. McKell56:30

      Um, I, I think I, I think I've said enough and I think those concerns that were addressed, uh, I think they're addressed in the bill.

  70. Committee chair56:38

      Okay. Uh, so the motion is to hold the bill, uh, all in favor of the motion, say aye.

  71. Unknown speaker56:45speaker not certain

      Aye. Aye. You don't wanna hold the bill? I'm opposed to that. Yeah. Okay. And so, no, no, No, No, no.

  72. Committee chair56:54

      So, so, uh, any opposed? Aye. This is the opposed will state the motion. So Yeah. So the motion, the motion is to hold the bill. Who's opposed to holding the bill?

  73. Unknown speaker57:08speaker not certain

      I'm opposed to holding the bill. We're, we're opposed to holding the bill. It's all three.

  74. Committee chair57:11

      Aye. So it fails. So that motion fails. So now we go back to the underlying motion, uh, which is, uh, pass to pass out with favorable recommendation. Uh, Senate bill 2 53 is amended. Uh, any discussion? That motion seeing none, uh, gonna come back to you to some

  75. Sen. Michael K. McKell57:36

      And I'm gonna waive.

  76. Committee chair57:37

      Okay. And you're gonna waive as the maker the motion. So the motion is to send out, uh, SB 2 53 library material a amendments as amended with favorable recommendation. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Those opposed? No. No. So same count? Yes. So it passes, so it passes Boulder. Thank you very much.